"slipperysallylikespenguins" (slipperysally)
02/13/2016 at 01:44 • Filed to: None
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"slipperysallylikespenguins" (slipperysally)
02/13/2016 at 01:44 • Filed to: None | 3
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I just watched “Pump” on Netflix. Review:
It is infuriating. Just one facepalm after another. The whole movie is about the advancement of alternative fuels, but mostly ethanol. It goes fine for an hour and then they start talking about running ethanol in your vehicles. They talk to an engineer and a CEO of a flexfuel conversion company, And according to these people all you need to run ethanol in your OBD2 equipped vehicle is a computer program. No hardware whatsoever, just software. They claim to have done Lamborghinis, V12 Mercedes, and Porsches and everything works perfectly. They don’t mention any sort of potential negative effects, such as fuel system damage, not even a mention of decreased mileage in 87 minutes of film. They also claim their is a conspiracy where GM intentionally makes cars run worse on E85 by retarding timing just to make ethanol look bad. He seems to think your car should run the same on ethanol as gas. The engineer then takes his Cobalt out to do slow motion handbrake turns in a parking lot to attract the ladies. Terrible, biased film. It just makes me scared to think of all the people who saw this and started running E85 in their cars that aren’t made for it, because I could end up with their old car somewhere down the line.
Berang
> slipperysallylikespenguins
02/13/2016 at 01:53 |
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What hardware do you need to run ethanol?
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slipperysallylikespenguins
> Berang
02/13/2016 at 02:30 |
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Flexfuel cars have a sensor in the tank to measure the mixture of ethanol. They also have upgraded fuel lines and components. Ethanol is considered to be corrosive to low grade metals, rubbers, and some plastics. It can degrade seals and gaskets if your system wasn’t made for it. Granted it is a slow process. Ethanol also absorbs water, even from the air. So if left for long periods of time you could have a decent amount of water in your tank when you try to start it again. That water will start rusting your tank and lines from the inside out if it is made of cheaper materials.
samssun
> Berang
02/13/2016 at 02:39 |
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Higher compression or a turbocharger. Otherwise you lose 1/3 your power, torque, and mileage.
Bytemite
> slipperysallylikespenguins
02/13/2016 at 02:41 |
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I’m thinking of tuning my Veloster for E85. I will gain about 30+ HP and lose about 20% efficiency for 25% less cost per gallon, so I get net savings for much higher octane and boost. Sounds good to me.
Even more important than the power boost is I am not polluting the air as much.
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Berang
> slipperysallylikespenguins
02/13/2016 at 02:42 |
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I’ve seen the damage ethanol can do to pot metal, cork gaskets, and seriously old fuel lines, but I’m not sure it would hurt any modern car.
I’d think if the computer tuning they do changes the timing and fuel air mixture, their claims aren’t really disingenuous.
In the dark ages of carburetors all people would do is re-jet, advance the timing, and fit some hi-comp pistons. And now that we’re out of the era of low-comp engines, the pistons might not be as crucial as they once were.
Flavien Vidal
> slipperysallylikespenguins
02/13/2016 at 02:45 |
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They could on the other hand mention that a 100% ethanol Lamborghini would get something like 2-3mpg... Instead of 9 or 10 normally...
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slipperysallylikespenguins
> Bytemite
02/13/2016 at 02:50 |
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There are definite positives to running E85, I just don’t like them recommending it for cars that are not built for it. It’s especially good if your Veloster is a Turbo.
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Bytemite
> slipperysallylikespenguins
02/13/2016 at 02:53 |
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It’s a Rally edition so yeah, it will make very good use of that high octane alcohol :)
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slipperysallylikespenguins
> Berang
02/13/2016 at 02:54 |
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Most recently built cars would probably be ok, but they are recommending cars up to 20 years old, so things might be weak already or replaced with super cheap aftermarket parts. Also, manufacturers were cheap as hell in the 90's.
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slipperysallylikespenguins
> Flavien Vidal
02/13/2016 at 02:56 |
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They should have. Think of all the power you would have between stops at every gas station.
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slipperysallylikespenguins
> Berang
02/13/2016 at 02:59 |
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Also most automotive and powersports companies can void your warranty if they find out you were running anything more than 10-15% ethanol.
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Flavien Vidal
> slipperysallylikespenguins
02/13/2016 at 03:00 |
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That’s IF you find a gas station lol
orcim
> slipperysallylikespenguins
02/13/2016 at 03:36 |
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I think you’re right. It’s ridiculous. Ethanol is causing some repair problems in cars, but major repair problems in small gas engines here in the sub-tropics. If the seals and metals and rubber were ethanol proof, then ok, but they aren’t.
Except - that stuff is being produced for my fuel with government incentives when 1) it’s damaging 2) corn isn’t very efficient. I can’t even think of how people don’t get this. The literature is rife with alternatives so.much.better.than.corn. (Sorry - not political in this rant, just a results kinda person. I brew, I’ve distilled, it’s really very simple.)
*Here, let me make up a story on a very complex system and find a pattern that fits my agenda.* “Obviously they just want to promote the commerce system by requiring everyone to buy new equipment to handle the situation.” How’d I do? Conspiracy enough?
TheOnelectronic
> Bytemite
02/13/2016 at 08:00 |
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It may cost less, but I think I’d go insane having to fill up that much more often.
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Bytemite
> TheOnelectronic
02/13/2016 at 13:04 |
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I’ll go from filling up every 9 days to like every 7 days.
Eh that’s a really tiny price to pay for
not giving your money to OPEC,
not polluting the air as much,
saving money,
and most importantly, getting SHIT TON OF FREE POWER!!!!
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TheOnelectronic
> Bytemite
02/13/2016 at 13:19 |
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Heh. I have to fill up every four days as is. 80 mile daily commute will do that.